By laurel Okeefe on October 20, 2011 3:32 AM
Right off the bat lets address this fallacy that "Josh", as you referred to him, "offered to plead guilty a long time ago".....
First of all, your casual use of this innocuous - sounding nickname for a man convicted of raping sodomizing an eleven year old girl gives you away from the get-go; You are what has become a banal breed of lawyers, so much so that your verbiage is even a tell;
"Josh" didn't offer to plead guilty to all of the charges against him from the start, making all of this expensive justice stuff unneccesary and he and his lawyers certainly didnt do so as an act of largess or magnanimousity as you imply. His attorneys, if they can be called that, made an unofficial offer to plead to certain charges with certain stipulations etc in exchange for life in prison for "josh" (interestingly, thier nickname for thier client) of course providing the death penalty was completely pulled off the table.
It's amazing that so many anti-death penalty advocates swear that the DP is not a detterrent and yet... watch to what lengths the murdering rapists and thier state financed attorneys will go to avoid even the mere prospect of being on "death row",Because let's face it, as we have clearly learned in this state, from facts and figures and the embarrasssing Michael Ross debaucle, the death penalty is, practically speaking, merely a sterile threat, a concept - It never happens, thanks in large part to our knee jerk guilt reflex legislators and lawyers who have in effect crippled the Death Penalty because they dont like it but the people of the state want it for its very worst offenders who are convicted of multiple capital murders and as a state we are discerning with the mere pusuit of this sentence.
However as you are well aware the built-in limitless appeals processes have rendered the concept of being put to death once given the death penalty -which takes an awful lot of suffering and carnage in the first place - a joke; a sword with a very dull blade that one must literally rub someone to death with.
So what we wind up with are lots of people like you who have the audacity to use the argument that the system that you have helped cripple and in the process of crippling, make very expensive - for the state and other peripheral entities, as the very reason we should stop using it, and take the easy way out right from the start following a brutal gaggle of capital crimes committed against innocent persons, including murder and rape of children.
What kind of imbecilic argument are you making here, OR is this just more of the same armchair contrarion BS that you hope brings you the much desired attention (albeit EVEN IF IT'S mostly negative) that your egoist narcisism seem to feed upon.
While its true that Connecticut plea bargains neary 98 percent of it's violent crime cases, thereby making trials a thing of the past, spoiling prosectors and criminal attorneys, who for the most part are no longer courtroom litigators but deal makers, BS artists, car salesman, or actually more like USED CAR SALESMAN. ... ahem.
Joshua Komisarjevsky offered to plead guilty unoffficially because he was caught red handed fleeing a murder scene in the murder victims car with enough evidence to sink his ship. You seem to be saying that as a society and a criminal justice system, we are obligated to take the easiest and now the cheapest road to conviction of any kind, to hell with the fact that our state law at the time of these crimes did in fact dictate that such capital offenses that Mr Komisarjevsky knowingly engaged in, were punishable by the death penalty. And yet, they carried out those crimes nonetheless and from much of the evidence not with a first time murderers apprehension, panic or fear, but rather a sociopaths power - fueled glee.
I am betting that you don't believe half the BS that you spout here and elsewhere on the internet; That this has become your "shtick" a gimmick, a personna which youve adapted, much like the Rush Limbaugh's and the howard sterns. But the really sick sad part is that three human beings were yanked out of thier beds kidnapped, sexually assaulted, dressed up in schoolgirl oufits and tied posed in obscene positions tied up and cell phone photos taken of her. Michaela Petit's clothes were cut off her just minutes before she was sodomized and then bleach was poured all over her in attempt to kill of the final bit of DNA that might remain from Joshau Komisarjevsky, or as you call him "josh" Then knowing that thier dad had escaped the cellar Josha and his hand chosen asssiant Hayes quickly doused both Petit girls with gasoline- I want you toi imagine what thjey were thinking and feeeling as that gas was thrown on them in "giant circle like arcs" as the fire marshall testified in court.
Both girls had just lisened as thier beloved mom was first jumped on by bothmen who tied her up including a rope around her neck...what was she thinking as she walked into her home having given hayes the money and believing praying the men would now leave...Now they threw her down and tied her hands and her neck and legs and steven Hayes secuallyassaulted her a woman with fairfly severe MS. She begged for her life and Komisarjevsky described in great detail how her voice became a squeak as her larnx broke first in one place then the other. The rape and strangulation took minutes upon long minutes. Josh paced in and out of the room with the baseball bat in his hands.
Then josh, as you call him, took a moment to yell down the stairs to Dr Petit, who hearing the terrible thumping and moaning that he thought might be hid wife tried to yell something up at the men on the floor above him but brain injured and severe blood loss caused it to come out a garbled non human sounding mess. "Josh" whose voice Petit only knew as he was the man who had beat him tirelessssly with a bat spraying his coumidin thinned blood all over his sunroom,now said, in a decidedly very sinister voice
" dont worry it will all be over in a few minutes...."
This tone was a sharp change from the tone the man had been using earlier to gain his compliance, right up until that moment where he couldnt help himself from taunting the man whose home he had basically taken over, whose family he had raped and stripped of all of thier dignity, who he would now ultimately finish off.
And thats exactly what Joshua komisarjevsky did, he set his plan into action, eliminating the witnesseses and getting rid of any dna evidence as small as a hair from his head, the men pouring gasoline purchased earlier that morning took different areas, all over Jenniefr Peti's limp body with her pants still pulled down and her head bent agasinst the couch, up the stairway and into first Hayelys room Hayely who he Quickly he made his way into michaelas bedroom and the gasoline was now almost empty so he poured its contents on the little girl whom he had just abused raped and memorialized his crimes with a series of pedophile cell phone photos he could look at over and over again. The girls likely screamed as they realized what was probably about to happen.
Joshua komisarjevsky turned his back and walked away running now because the men had seen Dr Petit escape rolling accrosss the grass in the rain straight to a neighbors house. He knew the police would soon be on thier way. HE HOPPED INTO THE PETITS CAR AND when Hayes didnt come out quickly he ran back in, hayes couldnt get the matches lit supposedly--too nervous or something, Komisarjevsky always the expert, likely sparked the flame in a rushed disgust and threw it onto the strategically gased up home. The men ran out of the Petits home laughing according to swat team police who has det up a perimeter.
Hayely petit was so doused in gasoline as was her bed that her binds simply burned through and she found herself running through flames in a direction she thought was out. Her body was on fire and the heat unbearable the smoke choking, she succumbed despite her love and her will she was human and she fell face first at the topof the stairs.
Michaela died still tied to her bed but her feet on the floor looking like she had despeartely tried to get away from the flames and heat. Her skin was damaged from intense heat and blackened. The pillowcase over her head had melted to her face. Her blond hair was still intact.Her clothing bleached and cut from komisarjevsky's scissors.
If the death Penalty did not exist, neither one of these men nor thier attorneys would have offerred tyo plead guilty to life without parole. With the bar lowered and the threat of the death penalty gone, any lawyer worth his salt would direct their client to take thier chance with a trial as they had nothing to lose" ie the worst thing that could happen would be life without parole wheras the better outcome could be life with the chance of parole, and this is what every single criminal defense attorney would strategize.
The Connecticut courts would clog up with murder cases that were on the auto track for trials, the individual voire dire that Connecticut uses for jury selection would mean a back log of huge proportion for these trials, and the money spent on all of this including the prosecutors who are also paid by the state and public defenders acting as the defense attorneys- ieboth men in the Petit crimes have utilized three public defenders each as have hundreds of other indigent defendants. We would have a monetary ripple effect that noone ever talks about when proposing the abolishment of the death penalty.
So beyond the fact that every poll taken shows that the people of this state by far want to keep the death oenalty for the worst of the worst cases, as well as the huge time and money expense issues involved in abolishing it, not to mention the gigantic increase in all crimes formerly punishable by the death penalty - we would have a crisis on our hands of huge proportion.
Right off the bat lets address this fallacy that "Josh", as you referred to him, "offered to plead guilty a long time ago".....
First of all, your casual use of this innocuous - sounding nickname for a man convicted of raping sodomizing an eleven year old girl gives you away from the get-go; You are what has become a banal breed of lawyers, so much so that your verbiage is even a tell;
"Josh" didn't offer to plead guilty to all of the charges against him from the start, making all of this expensive justice stuff unneccesary and he and his lawyers certainly didnt do so as an act of largess or magnanimousity as you imply. His attorneys, if they can be called that, made an unofficial offer to plead to certain charges with certain stipulations etc in exchange for life in prison for "josh" (interestingly, thier nickname for thier client) of course providing the death penalty was completely pulled off the table.
It's amazing that so many anti-death penalty advocates swear that the DP is not a detterrent and yet... watch to what lengths the murdering rapists and thier state financed attorneys will go to avoid even the mere prospect of being on "death row",Because let's face it, as we have clearly learned in this state, from facts and figures and the embarrasssing Michael Ross debaucle, the death penalty is, practically speaking, merely a sterile threat, a concept - It never happens, thanks in large part to our knee jerk guilt reflex legislators and lawyers who have in effect crippled the Death Penalty because they dont like it but the people of the state want it for its very worst offenders who are convicted of multiple capital murders and as a state we are discerning with the mere pusuit of this sentence.
However as you are well aware the built-in limitless appeals processes have rendered the concept of being put to death once given the death penalty -which takes an awful lot of suffering and carnage in the first place - a joke; a sword with a very dull blade that one must literally rub someone to death with.
So what we wind up with are lots of people like you who have the audacity to use the argument that the system that you have helped cripple and in the process of crippling, make very expensive - for the state and other peripheral entities, as the very reason we should stop using it, and take the easy way out right from the start following a brutal gaggle of capital crimes committed against innocent persons, including murder and rape of children.
What kind of imbecilic argument are you making here, OR is this just more of the same armchair contrarion BS that you hope brings you the much desired attention (albeit EVEN IF IT'S mostly negative) that your egoist narcisism seem to feed upon.
While its true that Connecticut plea bargains neary 98 percent of it's violent crime cases, thereby making trials a thing of the past, spoiling prosectors and criminal attorneys, who for the most part are no longer courtroom litigators but deal makers, BS artists, car salesman, or actually more like USED CAR SALESMAN. ... ahem.
Joshua Komisarjevsky offered to plead guilty unoffficially because he was caught red handed fleeing a murder scene in the murder victims car with enough evidence to sink his ship. You seem to be saying that as a society and a criminal justice system, we are obligated to take the easiest and now the cheapest road to conviction of any kind, to hell with the fact that our state law at the time of these crimes did in fact dictate that such capital offenses that Mr Komisarjevsky knowingly engaged in, were punishable by the death penalty. And yet, they carried out those crimes nonetheless and from much of the evidence not with a first time murderers apprehension, panic or fear, but rather a sociopaths power - fueled glee.
I am betting that you don't believe half the BS that you spout here and elsewhere on the internet; That this has become your "shtick" a gimmick, a personna which youve adapted, much like the Rush Limbaugh's and the howard sterns. But the really sick sad part is that three human beings were yanked out of thier beds kidnapped, sexually assaulted, dressed up in schoolgirl oufits and tied posed in obscene positions tied up and cell phone photos taken of her. Michaela Petit's clothes were cut off her just minutes before she was sodomized and then bleach was poured all over her in attempt to kill of the final bit of DNA that might remain from Joshau Komisarjevsky, or as you call him "josh" Then knowing that thier dad had escaped the cellar Josha and his hand chosen asssiant Hayes quickly doused both Petit girls with gasoline- I want you toi imagine what thjey were thinking and feeeling as that gas was thrown on them in "giant circle like arcs" as the fire marshall testified in court.
Both girls had just lisened as thier beloved mom was first jumped on by bothmen who tied her up including a rope around her neck...what was she thinking as she walked into her home having given hayes the money and believing praying the men would now leave...Now they threw her down and tied her hands and her neck and legs and steven Hayes secuallyassaulted her a woman with fairfly severe MS. She begged for her life and Komisarjevsky described in great detail how her voice became a squeak as her larnx broke first in one place then the other. The rape and strangulation took minutes upon long minutes. Josh paced in and out of the room with the baseball bat in his hands.
Then josh, as you call him, took a moment to yell down the stairs to Dr Petit, who hearing the terrible thumping and moaning that he thought might be hid wife tried to yell something up at the men on the floor above him but brain injured and severe blood loss caused it to come out a garbled non human sounding mess. "Josh" whose voice Petit only knew as he was the man who had beat him tirelessssly with a bat spraying his coumidin thinned blood all over his sunroom,now said, in a decidedly very sinister voice
" dont worry it will all be over in a few minutes...."
This tone was a sharp change from the tone the man had been using earlier to gain his compliance, right up until that moment where he couldnt help himself from taunting the man whose home he had basically taken over, whose family he had raped and stripped of all of thier dignity, who he would now ultimately finish off.
And thats exactly what Joshua komisarjevsky did, he set his plan into action, eliminating the witnesseses and getting rid of any dna evidence as small as a hair from his head, the men pouring gasoline purchased earlier that morning took different areas, all over Jenniefr Peti's limp body with her pants still pulled down and her head bent agasinst the couch, up the stairway and into first Hayelys room Hayely who he Quickly he made his way into michaelas bedroom and the gasoline was now almost empty so he poured its contents on the little girl whom he had just abused raped and memorialized his crimes with a series of pedophile cell phone photos he could look at over and over again. The girls likely screamed as they realized what was probably about to happen.
Joshua komisarjevsky turned his back and walked away running now because the men had seen Dr Petit escape rolling accrosss the grass in the rain straight to a neighbors house. He knew the police would soon be on thier way. HE HOPPED INTO THE PETITS CAR AND when Hayes didnt come out quickly he ran back in, hayes couldnt get the matches lit supposedly--too nervous or something, Komisarjevsky always the expert, likely sparked the flame in a rushed disgust and threw it onto the strategically gased up home. The men ran out of the Petits home laughing according to swat team police who has det up a perimeter.
Hayely petit was so doused in gasoline as was her bed that her binds simply burned through and she found herself running through flames in a direction she thought was out. Her body was on fire and the heat unbearable the smoke choking, she succumbed despite her love and her will she was human and she fell face first at the topof the stairs.
Michaela died still tied to her bed but her feet on the floor looking like she had despeartely tried to get away from the flames and heat. Her skin was damaged from intense heat and blackened. The pillowcase over her head had melted to her face. Her blond hair was still intact.Her clothing bleached and cut from komisarjevsky's scissors.
If the death Penalty did not exist, neither one of these men nor thier attorneys would have offerred tyo plead guilty to life without parole. With the bar lowered and the threat of the death penalty gone, any lawyer worth his salt would direct their client to take thier chance with a trial as they had nothing to lose" ie the worst thing that could happen would be life without parole wheras the better outcome could be life with the chance of parole, and this is what every single criminal defense attorney would strategize.
The Connecticut courts would clog up with murder cases that were on the auto track for trials, the individual voire dire that Connecticut uses for jury selection would mean a back log of huge proportion for these trials, and the money spent on all of this including the prosecutors who are also paid by the state and public defenders acting as the defense attorneys- ieboth men in the Petit crimes have utilized three public defenders each as have hundreds of other indigent defendants. We would have a monetary ripple effect that noone ever talks about when proposing the abolishment of the death penalty.
So beyond the fact that every poll taken shows that the people of this state by far want to keep the death oenalty for the worst of the worst cases, as well as the huge time and money expense issues involved in abolishing it, not to mention the gigantic increase in all crimes formerly punishable by the death penalty - we would have a crisis on our hands of huge proportion.
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